Kyodai Mahjongg

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Title: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: Nao on February 25, 2007, 21:54:41
On February 24th, 1997, a friend of mine told me she was addicted to Taipei. I felt that game just didn't cut the mustard, so I told her I could program something better in less than a week. It took me 4 days to make a working prototype 8-), and just a week to release a first playable version on March 1st. Kyodai Mahjongg was born. :great: And it never died. There is nothing more comforting for me than looking back over the last 10 years and realize how much I've been able to achieve in my quest for the perfect Mahjongg Solitaire game. And what can you improve in a game that is already perfect? Not much. A huge community loves it just like it is.
Share your ideas with us!
:yeah:
(And stop with the smilies, Nao! :p)
:silly:


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: meerupps on February 26, 2007, 01:51:44
Great Idea! If you are a New User - THIS IS THE GAME!!!
This Guy put his Heart and Soul into this...What have you got to lose?

Give it a TRY!!!


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: Webangel on February 26, 2007, 05:58:05
Great Idea! If you are a New User - THIS IS THE GAME!!!
This Guy put his Heart and Soul into this...What have you got to lose?

Give it a TRY!!!


You just can't lose with this deal. I became addicted to this game since it first came out, and still am!!!!  :yes: :yeah: :yes: :yeahbaby:


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: johnmaar on February 26, 2007, 13:52:30
...on March 1st [1997] Kyodai Mahjongg was born...
GameLifeYears=DogYears=7xHumanYears

That makes KMJ the "Grand Dame" of the genre. Well done, Nao. A heart-felt "Thank You" for your many contributions.

Joyeuse Anniversaire!


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: Nao on February 26, 2007, 15:53:36
Thanks, everyone ;)


Title: congrats on 10 years of Kyodai Mahjongg
Post by: Thorgred on February 26, 2007, 20:58:28
congrats!


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: booster on February 26, 2007, 22:23:53
HAPPY ANNIVERSARY, KYODAI MAHJONGG!

CONGRATULATIONS, GILLES!


My parents were still considering joining, but have kept putting it off.  I'd better make sure to tell them about the "Anniversary Special."  Maybe that'll be the impetus to get them to join in!

KMJ sure is worth the money, no matter what the price.  I'm glad I stumbled upon it some 9 years ago.  It's my favorite game of all.


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: dmaggard on February 26, 2007, 22:41:51
On February 24th, 1997, a friend of mine told me she was addicted to Taipei. I felt that game just didn't cut the mustard, so I told her I could program something better in less than a week.

I started out being somewhat addicted to Taipei myself but thought it could be so much better than it was.  So I eventually tried a lot of Mah Jongg solitaire games over the years, and KMJ is easily the best.

Now if only KMJ allowed seven layers of tiles so I could play the standard Taipei layout!!!   :lol:


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: Raveneye on February 27, 2007, 01:31:20
Here's a layout to commemorate the occasion.   :yeah:

[EDIT]

The layout didn't show up.  Not sure why.

[EDIT #2]

Well, it's available in the Private Downloads.


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: Strassman on February 27, 2007, 06:29:08
Congrats Nao!  :yeah:

I went hunting for a customizing replacement to Shanghai back in March of 2001, stumbled across Marc Lesselberg's site & Kyodai at the same time. Long story short...made my first tileset (Beermats) in the same month, and then went nuts making many more! :-)


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: booster on February 27, 2007, 23:51:14
I put in a shameless plug for KMJ on my Live Journal blog.  Yes, oh yes, I did!  Hey, when you have a good thing, you tell everyone, right?  ;)

One of my friends liked what she saw and said it's the prettiest setup she's ever seen of mahjongg.  Alas, she has a Mac, so the files are not compatible.  Bummer.  She needs a "real" computer so she can buy KMJ!  :lol:



Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: kryton on February 28, 2007, 10:57:56
Congratulations  Nao for excellent work all these years. Here's to many more years to come :yeah:


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: AZKathie on March 01, 2007, 09:57:38
Congrats Nao  8-) :yeahbaby:
I've been enjoying playing it for about 8 years now  :great:

 :heart:
Kathie


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: kryton on March 01, 2007, 10:49:16
Hi Kathie, welcome to the forums :-),

Nao, couldn't Boosters friend use a Windows emulator to run KMJ on her Mac?


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: Webangel on March 01, 2007, 13:17:36
Congrats, Nao. Here's hoping for another 10 years of success.  :app: :app: :yeah: :yeahbaby:

Hi Kathie and welcome to our forum.  :yeah:


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: Nao on March 01, 2007, 14:26:54
Hi Kathie, welcome to the forums :-),

Nao, couldn't Boosters friend use a Windows emulator to run KMJ on her Mac?
Well, if she has an Intel Macintosh, she can still use BootCamp and install XP on her machine (multi-boot).
If she has an older Mac, she's probably out of luck. Emulators do work, but there's little chance they will run the latest versions of the game. The early 2D versions will probably work, though...


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: tayk on March 01, 2007, 16:52:22
I join to the messages of CONGRATULATIONS..... HAPPY 10th ANNIVERSARY!!!  :yeah:  :app:

Kyodai is really a very good program... Thanks in order to have produced it.


P.S.: a special greet (salute) to all the members of the forum... :)


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: Webangel on March 01, 2007, 17:45:04
Hi Tayk, and welcome to our forum.  :yeah: :yeahbaby:


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: Michel92 on March 01, 2007, 19:27:43

Happy Birthday !


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: Michel92 on March 01, 2007, 19:30:24
Hello,

Thanks to realise Layouts, but the fils I upload is not openable by Kyodai !

Could you send me it by mail

Thanks in advance


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: booster on March 01, 2007, 22:02:06
Thanks for that note regarding the Mac, Gilles.  I'll pass it on to her, and then she can do as she wishes.  :)


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: johnmaar on March 02, 2007, 09:41:50
Congrats Nao  8-) :yeahbaby:
I've been enjoying playing it for about 8 years now  :great:

 :heart:
Kathie
Looks like another member from good ol' Arizona! Hi, Kathie!


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: kryton on March 02, 2007, 10:26:09
Welcome to the forum Tayk :-)


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: tayk on March 02, 2007, 18:49:36
Hi Webangel, Hi kryton and... Hi to all of you!!

Thanks for the positive acceptance.


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: johnmaar on March 02, 2007, 21:09:37
Would that I were midway in the journey of my life. 8-)


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: AZKathie on March 03, 2007, 13:13:42
Thanx for the welcome  :)

And John, yep, I live in Mesa........what part of Arizona are you from?

 :yeah:
Kathie


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: johnmaar on March 03, 2007, 16:01:09
I'm up in Grayhawk, across the street from DC Ranch. If I were to look to the south off my balcony, I could probably see you waving "HI".

If my eyes were good enough, that is. :-D


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: jpplante on March 04, 2007, 03:31:39
Has it been ten years since I installed the first disquette?
Time sure flies... and Kyodai as been a faithful companion all along.
Thank you, a whole ten years of them.


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: Webangel on March 04, 2007, 05:50:20
Has it been ten years since I installed the first disquette?
Time sure flies... and Kyodai as been a faithful companion all along.
Thank you, a whole ten years of them.

Hi JP, and welcome to our forum.  :yeah: :yeahbaby:


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: kryton on March 04, 2007, 11:25:22
Welcome to the forum JP :-)


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: JanRoza on March 07, 2007, 00:07:50
Congratulations!
You are right, it's perfect.
My family and me still play it almost daily for years now, so it is money well spend.

Thanks again for a great game that never looses its value or its fun.

 :app:
Jan Roza


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: Webangel on March 07, 2007, 01:11:45
Hi JanRoza and welcome to our forum. Enjoy.  :yeah: :yeahbaby:


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: kryton on March 07, 2007, 09:39:09
Welcome to the forum JanRoza :-)


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: filouk on March 17, 2007, 01:44:51
So Naoki, are you saying that with Kyodai 2006 v1.42 you've finally reached the ultimate version ?  ;)


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: kryton on March 18, 2007, 09:46:20
Welcome to the forum Filouk :-)


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: Webangel on March 18, 2007, 14:34:26
Welcome to our forum Filouk.  :yeah:


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: filouk on March 18, 2007, 23:54:26
Thanks ! Years ago I helped Naoki a little, with beta-testing Kyodai and giving some suggestions. For example I remember that I used to create a lot of layouts (Hourglass and Hovercraft are by me) and the program would not allow to display them all in the list, so we had the idea of the "layout selector" you all know about. Good memories ! ;)


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: Raveneye on March 18, 2007, 23:58:58
Thanks ! Years ago I helped Naoki a little, with beta-testing Kyodai and giving some suggestions. For example I remember that I used to create a lot of layouts (Hourglass and Hovercraft are by me) and the program would not allow to display them all in the list, so we had the idea of the "layout selector" you all know about. Good memories ! ;)

Hi filouk!

I remember the name "Vincent Krebs" associated with the Hourglass layout.  Is this you or am I mistaken?  Just curious...  :-)


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: filouk on March 19, 2007, 10:19:36
Hello Raveneye. Yes it's me. I also made the layout called "one move", which I believe is the only 144-tile disposition that makes only 1 move available at the beginning of the game. Just have a look at the file "what'sold.rtf" in the "help" directory and see the section "New features in 5.28", where Naoki thanks me for beta-testing Kyodai. I was quite good at finding bugs.


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: Nao on March 19, 2007, 17:10:41
Hi Vincent ;) Didn't think you still were into KMJ ;)
Yes, I remembered how many times you managed to piss me off with your requests and suggestions ;) And I just as well remember how many times you made good suggestions and submitted good stuff like Hourglass, which is still my favorite KMJ layout (just after the regular Traditional one)! (No wonder I used it for some screenshots!)
We shared a total of 197 e-mails between 1998 and 2001! (Plus 8 e-mails in June 2003) I kept them all. :D

As for your question...
Well, as far as I can tell, KMJ 2006 1.42 is the "final" offline version. I still have an update in the works, but it just adds transparent windows, which is really no big deal. (I'm through with the "cosmetic-only" changes...)

There are still things I could add:
- interoperability with the server (hall of fame, game matching, chat, ingame downloads)
- extra mini-games (but I'll never do these. And even if I did, it would be in a game separate from KMJ itself ;))
- err, probably lots of other things, but if I can't remember them, they're not so good after all ;)

So I'm not saying I'll release any more versions of KMJ, of course. But after 10 years of development, one could say I don't *have* to ;) I'm probably the only one who thinks the game is still far from what I envision.


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: filouk on March 19, 2007, 18:27:44
Hi Naoki ! Nice to talk to you after all this time ;)


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Yes, I remembered how many times you managed to piss me off with your requests and suggestions  ;)

Sorry about that ;) I know that I may have sometimes seemed to you like an "enculeur de mouches" :lol: which I believe I can really be, from time to time  ^_^


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And I just as well remember how many times you made good suggestions

Thanks ! I used to get happy each time we could agree with each other...   :yeah:


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...and submitted good stuff like Hourglass, which is still my favorite KMJ layout (just after the regular Traditional one)! (No wonder I used it for some screenshots!)

I remember, when I submitted it to you, you found it quite difficult  ;) I saw that a modified easier version had been created as well...


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We shared a total of 197 e-mails between 1998 and 2001! (Plus 8 e-mails in June 2003) I kept them all. Eheh

 :yes:


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As for your question...
Well, as far as I can tell, KMJ 2006 1.42 is the "final" offline version.

That's a great accomplishment !  :app:


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: Nao on March 21, 2007, 09:02:54
Hi Naoki ! Nice to talk to you after all this time ;)
:)

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Sorry about that ;) I know that I may have sometimes seemed to you like an "enculeur de mouches" :lol: which I believe I can really be, from time to time  ^_^
I think the English equivalent would be "nit-picking" ;)

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I remember, when I submitted it to you, you found it quite difficult ;)
That's also why it's so good! ;)
It looks great and it's a bit harder than the rest!

Oh my, it makes me think, I'd always promised myself to introduce difficulty settings into KMJ... "Normal" would be the current mode, "Easy" would be the same but without any maluses when you use Hint or Shuffle, and "Hard" would disable the "Hint" and "Shuffle" features. I for one would love to play KMJ with these features disabled ;)

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As for your question...
Well, as far as I can tell, KMJ 2006 1.42 is the "final" offline version.
That's a great accomplishment !  :app:
I'm not so sure about that! One could call me lazy!


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: Webangel on March 21, 2007, 12:58:47
Hi Nao. I, for one, wouldn't call you lazy.  :no: I believe you accomplished a lot.  :yeah: :yeahbaby:


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: runfox on April 16, 2007, 15:55:17
Hi, what about Windows Vista and directX 10 ?

Do you think would be worth to convert the game in Dx10 ? Any good change from them ?
I don't remember if the game now is in OpenGl or DX, I just remember time ago you rewrite the code but if my memory doesn't leak you came back from that update.

 :yeah:


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: Ant5 on April 18, 2007, 23:54:58
Hi and welcome runfox, FYI the code is DX but does not use any DX10 specifics.

In my opinion Nao would be limiting the distribution somewhat to write for DX10. I personally can not see a "must have" feature of DX10 that would make Nao change. Just my 0.02 :D


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: Nao on April 22, 2007, 22:48:22
In my opinion Nao would be limiting the distribution somewhat to write for DX10. I personally can not see a "must have" feature of DX10 that would make Nao change. Just my 0.02 :D
Sure.
I don't even have a "must have" feature in DX9 itself ;)

We're talking about a Mahjongg game, really! It already has the best looking graphics for a mahjongg solitaire, I really don't see what I could do to improve the graphics by switching to a newer version of DirectX (and in the meantime make the game incompatible with older video cards)...


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: korgul on April 25, 2007, 19:14:36
Hi, ...

Kyodai 10 year anniversary, ...  :yeah:

See the file attached, for the screenshot of Kyodai V1.21 in 1997.

The last version of Kyodai, with the transparent look, is verry good.

Also, and i have not make a bug report since a lot of months, ...

(It is solid and stable and transparent since some months, and cost the price of to be not the cheap imitation(s) type, = like a Diamond)  :great:

I have even made my part, to improve Kyodai.

Korgul


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: korgul on April 25, 2007, 22:32:48
Hi, ...

>> Cost the price of to be not the cheap imitation(s) type, ...

I mean for the cost of money to buy a registration of Kyodai,  cost a little and worth the price.  :great:

And,  it not a cheap software multi-games = (in graphics, musics and mini games).

Sylvain St-Amand

Hi, ...

Kyodai 10 year anniversary, ...  :yeah:

See the file attached, for the screenshot of Kyodai V1.21 in 1997.

The last version of Kyodai, with the transparent look, is verry good.

Also, and i have not make a bug report since a lot of months, ...

(It is solid and stable and transparent since some months, and cost the price of to be not the cheap imitation(s) type, = like a Diamond)  :great:

I have even made my part, to improve Kyodai.

Korgul


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: dmaggard on April 25, 2007, 22:46:31
Hey, KMJ really has come a long way in ten years!!    :yeah: :app:

Thanks for the reminder -- Nao should be very proud of what he has accomplished!    :yeahbaby:  :app: :app: :app:


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: Ant5 on April 25, 2007, 23:06:48
Hey, KMJ really has come a long way in ten years!!    :yeah: :app:

Seconded, it sure has. It certainly has "kept up with the times" doesn't show its age at all :D I guess it is due to all its face lifts ;)


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: Nao on April 26, 2007, 10:44:31
Oh, my!

"Remember the Asgard brothers"... That what one hell of a silly geeky comment! I'm ashamed of that one now :lol:


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: SirN on May 08, 2007, 23:12:05
With the layup identity number maybe it is poss. to make Internet deathmatch/head2head - soo that 2 players over the internet finish the same layup and theone that is faster wins


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: Nao on May 09, 2007, 00:09:10
Well it's always been somewhere "in my plans"... But I never got around to including this.

Although, you can somehow do that by sending the layout # to your friend by e-mail, and then you can compete over time ;)


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: mommabear on June 27, 2007, 01:52:17
I am a quiet, but confirmed addict. Thank you for a wonderful game that I am even more addicted to than WOW. Happy 10th, and many more to come. I would buy it again and again, and all my lil chillins <all 3 of my sons> love it too.  :app:


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: booster on June 27, 2007, 04:17:44
Welcome, MommaBear!  :-D

Yay, another quiet addict speaks up!  :app:


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: Nao on June 27, 2007, 10:16:04
Thank you! :)


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: kryton on June 27, 2007, 10:57:45
Welcome SirN and Mommabear to the forums :-)


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: Webangel on June 27, 2007, 14:57:48
Hi SirN and welcome to our forum.  :yeah: :yeahbaby:


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: dmnewlife on July 22, 2007, 19:12:46
I am one of the quiet devotees of KMJ.   I have had the game for 7 out of those 10 years and consider KMJ the ONLY Mahjongg worth playing! THANKS Nao for 7 yrs of fun! :app:


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: Webangel on July 22, 2007, 21:21:57
Hi dmnewlife, and welcome to our forum. Feel free to post on the other threads and meet some of our other bunch that hang out there. I'm sure you'll have fun there.  :yeah: :yeahbaby:


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: booster on July 22, 2007, 23:18:10
Welcome, dmnewlife.  Thanks for introducing yourself.  :)

And I couldn't agree with you more.  Nao's Kyodai Mahjongg is the best of them all!   :app:


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: kryton on July 24, 2007, 12:22:38
Hi dmnewlife, Welcome to the forums :-)


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: alonghorns on October 13, 2007, 07:57:51
 :app:
thank you for such a great game been playing for the last 5 years and still am.
once again
thank you
 :yeah: :app:


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: Nao on October 13, 2007, 11:57:10
Thanks :)
Hope you enjoy the extra games on the private forum. They're not as good as KMJ but still, it's nice to be able to compete against each other once in a while ;)


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: Nao on January 21, 2008, 10:27:37
snowman, I've moved your post there (http://cynagames.com/bbs/index.php?topic=1095.0), away from the public eye.


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: mebewatashi on April 17, 2009, 20:39:41
Naoki -- Definite thanks for 10 years of KMJ.  The only thing that could make it better is a way to incorporate two different tilesets into the game at the same time [and have 288-tile layouts, too!]

Just a thought [and a thinly veiled hint :eheh:]


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: Raveneye on April 18, 2009, 05:40:39
Naoki -- Definite thanks for 10 years of KMJ.  The only thing that could make it better is a way to incorporate two different tilesets into the game at the same time [and have 288-tile layouts, too!]

Just a thought [and a thinly veiled hint :eheh:]

I'll second that as a great idea!    :yes:  :yeah:   :app:   :great:


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: dmaggard on April 18, 2009, 05:59:00
Two more layers of tiles would also be nice, and almost essential for 288 tile layouts!

But my real favorite is adding support for 24 bit color!!   ;)


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: Nao on April 18, 2009, 11:13:33
@dmaggard> I'm afraid the ball is not in my league for this... It's a graphic driver issue I guess. Did you ever consider upgrading to a better video card? ;)

@mebewatashi> 288-tile layouts aren't the traditional way of playing MJS. And I'm afraid the KMJ engine is too rigid on the matter of layouts anyway. I mean, I could look into it, but I'd risk breaking many things by trying to add new features, lol. It's not like I'm very familiar with my own source code right now. I haven't touched it in years! :^^;:

Yeah I know, it's a shame etc... Only thing I can tell you is: when you work for 10 years making something perfect, all you can see after that is where you failed. Even though all I've heard in 2 years is "there's no room left for improvement, it's perfect as it is", seeing only KMJ's failed points is a curse. But it's a good thing that I'm the only one who can see them, isn't it? ;)


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: chant4U on June 14, 2009, 23:54:25
Hi, I've just finished looking through some old disks. My first Mahjongg was by Nels Anderson and was thoroughly enjoyable. I've been playing your Mahjongg for so long that I can't remember when I started. I have been remiss in thanking you for the many years of pleasure and the effort that you have devoted to this evolution of a great game. Please accept my apologies and

THANK YOU THANK YOU SO MUCH  :yeah:
     


Title: Re: A decade of striving for perfection
Post by: Nao on June 16, 2009, 00:47:06
You're welcome ;)